Fatima and the Soviet merger of Orthodoxy with Catholicism

ROC “Patriarch” Kirill and “Pope” Francis. Heretics embrace.

By Timothy Fitzpatrick
Jan. 22, 2019 Anno Domini

There are major theological and geopolitical inconsistencies presented by the alleged prophetic Marian apparition at Fatima in the early 20th century.

The much-touted apparition, which seems to be accepted as authentic by the Vatican and is highly touted in the traditional Catholic movement, tends towards not only private interpretation but also millenarianism (an earthly kingdom)—both of which are anathema to both Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.

Before I go on, let me first point out that I am a convert to Eastern Orthodoxy, so I have no dog in this fight when I say that the Fatima prophecies are actually anti-Catholic. Furthermore, my eschatological position is that of the majority of the Church Fathers, which is a post- or amillennial view based in some type of Preterism, perhaps partial Preterism. This is important to note, because the Fatima prophecies tend towards a futurist and even pre-millennial view—inconsistent with the majority view of the Fathers. In fact, Fatima’s eschatology is more consistent with Protestantism and millennarianist philo-Semitism, perhaps similar to that of the Puritans and Hussites, for example. Millenarianism is a sort of Earthly messianic expectation in the spirit of racially supremacist Jews.

The timing of Fatima is very suspicious—the same year of Lenin’s anti-Christ October Revolution in Russia (1917) and Europe. But more on that later.

Russia’s false conversion, false consecration

The major red flag with the prophecies is its prediction that the Russian empire will come back to the Catholic faith in the near future. First, it presupposes a continuation of Christ’s millennial reign on Earth (One thousand years of the Church’s rule, be it through Rome or Byzantium), even though it is clearly already at an end.  Second, it requires that Russia will either completely abandon Eastern Orthodoxy or modify Eastern Orthodoxy to fit in with Roman Catholicsm (and vice versa)—the latter of which is currently happening through ecumenism. Last but not least, Russia’s current perceived shift to the Right seems to corroborate the Fatima’ prophecy of the consecration of Russia. Why, Russia could only be consecrated if it finally abandoned its Godless communism, and that supposedly happened in the 1990s. In reality, Russia is merely feigning a turn to the Right as part of its old Leninist strategy of leading its opposition, namely conservatives/Christians/nationalists, into a trap.  To lure them into this trap, the Soviets must pretend to be like their opponents. Russia is still communist, although it is a much more developed and chameleonic collectivism, which is spreading to each corner of the world. Therefore, Fatima could not be fulfilled by a fake consecration.


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During the Revolution, a big part of the Leninist strategy was to infiltrate and control not only the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC) at home but also the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) abroad. The former was achieved in 1918 with the ousting of St. Tikhon, the latter achieved with the communist Judeo-masonic subversion of the Vatican no later than the 1960s, culminating in the anti-Christ Second Vatican Council. However, the communists learned that since “the gates of hell will not prevail” against Christ’s Church (they couldn’t eradicate altogether Christianity from the hearts of all of the Russian people), they would have to infiltrate it, instead of trying to destroy it. With both Churches already under Soviet, Cultural Marxist control by the end of the 1960s, the next step in the Soviet plan was to unite the two Churches—something I imagine we will eventually see soon. What’s more, it appears the following step in this Soviet plan involves creating a world religion (this is consistent with New Age-Jewish messianism/millennarianism), likely to be based in Jerusalem, home to Jewish, Christian, and Muslim shrines. Today, Russia is home to large amounts of devotees to all three faiths, and has been promoting multiculturalism and inter-faith dialogue since the Revolution began. Russia is still very much a philo-Semitic, philo-Islamic nation. Russia has the largest Muslim population in all of Europe and is still run by mainly Jewish oligarchs and mobsters. Unfortunately, it seems that the great majority of Christians in Russia identify as such out of tradition and nationalism, not so much out of sincere belief. While the Church may appear to be growing in Russia, it is a shallow, false revival based in a revived National Bolshevism. Indeed, true Russian Orthodox authorities warned their flocks that the Soviets would, in the future, build grand churches with which to deceive the masses.


Fatima’s carnal message

Instead of looking to Christ’s superior, spiritual Kingdom, which is here with us now, these sincere yet misguided traditional Catholics take seriously this Fatima consecration of Russia and look to a future Earthly kingdom where Russia and, presumably, the world are consecrated to the RCC and peace is brought in.

“In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world,” reads the end of the so-called second secret of Fatima.

Wow! That’s a rather convenient narrative if your Vladimir Lenin in 1917 looking for a way to fool the Catholic world (the majority in Christendom in terms of numbers) into accepting that Russia’s chameleonic communism is a return to God. Theologically speaking, Fatima’s message is outright Protestantism. True Catholicism has never been millenarianist, nor has it given credence to such fantastical privately interpreted visions. This alleged message from the Holy Mother suggests a restoration of the Church on Earth, despite that the Book of Revelation says basically the opposite would happen following Christ’s one thousand-year reign on Earth (the Church age).

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

It seems to say that following the Church Age, Satan would be unleashed for a short time to deceive the world, leading to a great apostasy before the final judgment. We appear to be in this phase right now. So instead of some imagined revival, we can only expect to slide further and further into apostasy before the final judgment. Revelation carries a harsh warning to anyone who would add or take away even one word from the Holy Scriptures. Does Fatima violate this? It appears so. Fatimists are so dedicated to the Fatima message, they seem to hold it on the same level of authority as the Scriptures and Tradition.

The geopolitical inconsistency with Fatima is perhaps even more pronounced. Today, the world is on a terrible and colossal slide into full-fledged apostasy. The momentum is such that it’s hard to believe any God-fearing person could honestly think that a turning point were right around the corner. This fatal error is likely also responsible for the seemingly traditional Catholic support for Putinist Russia and its crypto-Soviet expansion and destruction of Western Civilization. Tainted with the pro-Russian sentiment inherent in the Fatima prophecy, traditional Catholics can only view world events from a pro-Russia view. Thus, if and when Russia and its current Eurasianist agenda succeed in overthrowing the West and the entire world, are tradcats going to believe this will be Christ’s rule on Earth, the time of peace Fatima said it would be? Are they being set up to accept the anti-Christ world religon? We have countless Soviet defectors corroborating the narrative that the Soviets feigned the collapse of communism and are feigning a return to Christianity and conservatism.

Hijacked Vatican brought Fatima’s message to the world

Tradcats also need to realize that it was the Judeo-masonic, communist-infiltrated post-Vatican-II-occupied Holy See that brought these alleged secrets of Fatima to the world. If the secrets were authentic, one would think that anti-Christ Vatican II church would go to any length to suppress these secrets. The logic just doesn’t follow.

There is controversy over whether the third secret was fully disclosed by the Vatican (in the year 2000), and all kinds of speculation surrounds what the complete secret says, one of which is that it spoke of the RCC being infiltrated and becoming the throne of anti-Christ. Well, if this is true, we don’t really need this missing part of the third secret, because it is already very obvious that the RCC, and much of Eastern Orthodoxy, have been hijacked by anti-Christs. Again, Revelation warned that instead of a revival of the Church, she would go into apostasy leading up to the final judgment. Furthermore, the Holy Scriptures seem to suggest that before the final judgment, there would remain only a remnant of the true Church. These revelations appear to be coming true right before our very eyes, as in both Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, there are only remnants staying true to the faith and tradition. In the RCC, we have tradcats, sedevacantists, etc. In Eastern Orthodoxy, we have the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad (ROCA) and individual parishes throughout the Eparchy staying true to tradition. But none of these, unfortunately, make up the majority of the Churches today. They are mere remnants.

Now, if Fatima is indeed a communist ruse to fool tradcats, where does it lead? It can only lead to a re-unified Church, where there is a pseudo healing of the Great Schism between the RCC and Eastern Orthodoxy. Interestingly in Eastern Orthodoxy, some remnant believers and Saints have already warned that the Bolsheviks would one day appear to restore Russian Orthodoxy and rebuild these magnificent churches but that it would all be for show. Indeed, we now know that Leninist and Stalinist strategy involved giving concessions to the ROC. In fact, after the death of St. Tikhon—the last true Patriarch of the ROC, the Bolsheviks put in one of their own as the head of the ROC. This line of succession of impostor patriarchs continues to this day, with “Patriarch” Kirill. Kirill and Pope Francis appear to be on great terms and could be planning a re-unification soon. Eastern Orthodoxy, especially in the ROC, has its own kind of Fatima message. They, like the Fatimists, believe there will be a great revival of Christianity in Russia, despite warnings from the Bible and Remnant believers to the contrary.

There you have it. The heads of both the RCC and ROC are in the hands of the anti-Christ system. There is no sign of any kind of revival or restoration of Russia to either the Sacred Heart of Mary or to even traditional and true Eastern Orthodoxy.

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  1. charles allan

     /  January 22, 2019

    I cant see how the RCC can downplay the 1000 year reign of Christ from Jerusalem.
    This is after the last week of Daniel – the last 7 years before Jesus comes back or His millennial reign starts .
    All rebels have been crushed with His glorious return and He takes His seat in the Temple
    He renews the earth and the lion lies down with the lamb and the righteous have a 1000 year
    lifespan . Each man has his own vineyard and the rule is that of a rod of iron – no sin

    At the end of the 1000 years Satan is released to tempt the hidden rebels are they are quickly destroyed then a new heaven and earth are created for eternity .

    I mean we all agree Jesus returns – so where else can He return to but the mount of olives
    as He said . And He is not going to leave us but reign from Jerusalem .
    We must be in the pre millennial era – the 6000 years era awaiting the sabbath 1000 years
    era .
    Post millennials as you say take away from Revelation since it is so clear.

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  2. Robert Ryan

     /  January 23, 2019

    This is a very interesting article. I am a Traditional Roman Catholic , l believe that we are heading towards the Antichrist. I believe also that the Most Sorrowful and Immaculate heart of Our Blessed Mother will reign when Our Divine Saviour will defeat the Antichrist . Vatican ll was truly a satanic council. We are living through the great apostacy. I first came across Mr. Fitzpatrick on TradCatKnight. On this night l believe l struck gold. I see my own poor country, Ireland where Irshwomen celebrated the right to slaughter our own children. For 40 days and nights men and women fasted and prayed above the clouds on Croagh Patrick begging God’s help. We were heartbroken when abortion was legalised. Looking at the scriptures these things must happen for the man of perdition to come. A total apostacy from Christ. We are asked to be faithful until the end. God’s victory will come at the appointed hour.

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  3. lindesymonds

     /  January 23, 2019

    What to make of all this? First, Catholics who are adhering to the tradition of the faith and the Church and do not follow the Conciliar Novus Ordo (1963 – ? ) do not interpret the prophecies made at Fatima ‘a period of peace’ in terms of a 1,000 year earthly reign. I have no idea where you are getting this. Nova Roma: Constantine 4th century – fall of Constantinople 15th century or in the West: Charlemagne 800 – abdication of HRE Emperor Franz Joseph II 1806 after the defeat of Emperor Alexander I of Russia and Franz Josef II (HRE) at Austerlitz. They fought on the same side against Napoleon. Both the East and West agree on these facts of history. Clearly we are in the time of the Great Apostasy II Thess 2. The apostate Novus Ordo Conciliar church and the apostate Orthodox churches in the WCC [ two full tilt Communist organisations ] were both well represented at Assisi ecu-fests. Sr Lucia of Fatima’s final interview in 1957 was published in 1958 in Spanish in Mexico. Most of the historical material on Fatima was published before 1960 – not after. 1960 was the official and well-known date for the Vatican to reveal what has come to be known as the ‘Third Secret’ – and they refused to announce it. Sr Lucia was officially silenced at the time of the Vatican Council II. Clearly the smile-y, happy, clappy ‘Sr Lucia of Fatima’ photographed chatting away with the NO popes on their junkets to the Fatima shrine is not the same person as the Sr Lucia of the original and older photographs. These are two completely separate persons. The NO Conciliar church has been at great pains to deceive Catholics into thinking that 1. the consecration to Russia was done (by John Paul II) and 2. the Vatican announced the ‘Third Secret’ in 2000. Not a bit of it. Reading the final interview of 1957, now, it is clear to my mind that what was on Sr Lucia’s mind in that interview with Fr Fuentes was ‘the great apostasy’. She does not use this word – but her description of what was coming in the Church after 1960 is exact. The consecration of Russia by the pope and all the bishops was not done before Vatican Council II and it can not now be done because of the great apostasy. Who is going to do it – ‘acting’ pope Francis? The bishops? Aren’t they otherwise engaged with explaining to the faithful how the LBGTQI folks also form families that should be recognised by Catholic institutions. A lot to do there I would say. Our Lord would have to restore His Church before a pope, together with all the bishops could perform the consecration.

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    • This alleged conspiracy by the Novus Ordo church to conceal Fatima and the alleged third secret is a theory that does nothing for the faith but, instead, attempts to validate the apparition per se. Is this time well spent in entertaining such unedifying theories? Traditional Catholics love conspiracy theories, but one must be on guard of red herring conspiracy theories, like Fatima appears to be. Don’t think for one minute that the agents of the New World Order haven’t created red herrings within the Churches. They have. The Bolsheviks became masters at this. They still run the Moscow Patriarchate. They have been in charge of the anti-Christ “church” almost twice as long as Vatican II has been around.

      While the Fatima prophecies don’t explicitly state a continuation of Christ’s Earthly reign through the Church, they imply it. The Church ruled—undivided—for almost exactly 1,000 years, then the Great Schism happened. Do you think this is a coincidence? It is clear that the millennial reign of Christ on Earth is a past event, not yet future. If you read Revelation 20 carefully, you can see that Christ’s millennial reign would be followed by an earthly Satanic reign before the great judgment. Fatima basically turns Revelation on its head. There is no where a Church revival can happen in Revelation’s timeframe, nor is it necessary; for, the Church had its time to bring in those that would accept Christ. The human race has had its chance. Now, the day of reckoning awaits. Fatima is incoherent eschatologically. It is also incoherent geopolitically. Catholics don’t seem to have a very good understanding of eschatology, probably because it is not really taught in the Church. Eastern Orthodoxy doesn’t really teach it either. One of the reasons it is not taught is probably because the Church has, rightfully so, put its focus on the present. However, the growth of false prophecies in modern times makes it necessary for the clergy and laity to seriously study and understand eschatology.

      I’ve edited this article to include the appropriate passages from Revelation. Hopefully this will add some clarity to this very complex subject.

  4. Renato

     /  January 23, 2019

    Your article is interesting, but you forgot to mention one detail:

    The Miracle of the Sun.

    This miracle was witnessed by thousands of people … How do explain that?

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  5. dachsielady

     /  January 23, 2019

    https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=1165

    I think most here definitely believe that the apparitions were true and did happen. That is not what is at issue.

    Fatima is a private revelation and is a private revelation of the kind that become very public.

    https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=1165

    Again we put the question: must Catholics believe in Fatima? The answer is two-fold. So far as the heart of the Fatima message goes, meaning prayer, penance, reparation and the compassionate Immaculate Heart of Mary — the Church’s approval here is absolute. No Catholic is free to reject these key aspects of Christian belief and practise. The Church’s judgment here is infallible because these are matters that affect the very core of our Christian and Catholic life. So far as the particular circumstances that gave rise to the Fatima message are concerned the Church has warmly recommended acceptance of the apparitions, but only as a matter of human faith, so that a Catholic is not obliged to accept the initial accounts, whether of 1917, or the appearances of the angel in 1916 or subsequent revelations communicated to Lucy since 1917. This may seem strange, but we cannot make obligations where the Church does not command us, and especially we must not impose on others the obligation of accepting private revelations.

    ___________________
    There is increasing solid evidence that the real Sister Lucy was replaced by a fake Sister Lucy.

    Dr. Peter Chojnowski

    Can a False Sister Lucy Be Proven Scientifically?

    Dr. Peter Chojnowski (pronounced Ho Now Skee )

    http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/

    there you will find this article

    Vatican Fraud Exposed! Sworn Declaration from Professional Handwriting Analyst that Letter from Sister Lucy II in 1969 Was Written By Imposter and Not By Sister Lucy I. Here is Scientific Evidence that the Sister Lucy II, post-1958 Was a Fraud. Read the 125 page declaration here.
    January 18, 2019

    ______________
    There was substituted another person for Sister Lucy in 1958

    ____________

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k34FO-7De7Y this is part 1 of 3 part set of videos put out by VaticanCatholic YouTube channel

    This is a good outline of this matter.
    ____________

    The Catholic Church, the Church Jesus was talking about when he said “My Church” is amillennial. We do not believe in a literal “thousand years” and his eternal reign will take place after the Second Coming when there is a heavenly New Jerusalem and a new heavens and a new earth.

    “cattle on a thousand hills” a phrase found in Psalms I think refers to a large number.
    A “thousand years” in the bible means “a long time.” There are a few places in the bible where numbers are what they appear to mean literally but often numbers are used symbolically or as a way of expression of the time scriptures were written.

    Jesus is only returning one time and He will not reign for a literal thousand years on this present earth as we know it.

    When Jesus returns, this whole world system is gone forever. No person will be on this present earth ruled by Jews and their fake Messhiach in their third temple one world false religion for all system.

    The way “the Catholic Church” and the “Pope” is used since the close of Vatican II in 1965 has nothing to do with the true Catholic Church. We are in a holding pattern waiting for the solving of a situation which only God can solve.

    The Church, the Mystical Body, exists on this earth, and is called the Church militant, because its members struggle against the world, the flesh and the devil. The Church suffering means the souls in Purgatory. The Church triumphant is the Church in heaven.

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  6. lindesymonds

     /  January 24, 2019

    Fitz I think you should reference at least one source where a Catholic commentator – preferably pre -Vatican II as most of the best writing on Fatima is pre-Vatican II – interprets the prophecy ” a period of peace granted to the world” to be the millennial reign of Christ.

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    • dachsielady

       /  January 24, 2019

      “reference at least one source where a Catholic commentator – preferably pre -Vatican II as most of the best writing on Fatima is pre-Vatican II – interprets the prophecy ” a period of peace granted to the world” to be the millennial reign of Christ.”

      There is no such thing. I have read quite a bit on Fatima and I have never seen the period of peace interpreted as millennial reign of Christ.

      I am also informed on the arguments pro and con about Fatima. I believe in the communion of the saints and I believe it is most wise to pray for the intercession of the our Blessed Mother in heaven. It is sad that so many modernist clerics have distorted this beautiful devotion to the Mother of God.

      I am not sure I believe that the “third secret” will ever be revealed or that the consecration of Russia will ever be done in the right way. But I do not have to firmly believe those things. I will read and study more and maybe I will become sure one way or the other.

      The miracle of the sun happened and it was supernatural and true. Even the secular newspapers published stories about it on front pages.

      We are fortunate to have had, at least in the past, a Church leadership that carefully helped us know what was worthy of veneration and what was not a true accepted and approved miracle. Medjugorje was never approved and rightly so, even though there were/are some preternatural looking aspects to the story. The Father of Lies and the Deceiver can do many things to lead people down wrong paths.

      As I stated before the traditional teaching of the Church through the centuries is amillennial.

      Chiliasm is the name given to this heresy of a thousand year reign of Christ on this earth.

      “My kingdom is not of this world.”
      -John 18:36

    • D.

       /  January 24, 2019

      Good day for all!

      Is correct to say that catholics don’t belive in millenial reign but faith isn’t lived and studied so much.
      For me is also clear that consacration isn’t done and third secret unrevealed.
      The question of falsification is another point about this so we have many things to demostrate a big deception.

      But the problem is different. In catholic way you have old prophecies and other virgin’s apparitions speaking of a big king ( usually a french ) and a great saint pope rising after terror and persecution.
      Strange how this can be used to fit Fatima’s message with this restauration before the antichrist dominace…
      If you do your research you will see sinisters words about england and china turning back or open their mind to the church after scary and obscure situation…and after, because humans are stupids, you will have a new degeneration and the antichrist…

      Now let us thinking about it…satanist are so stupids? They don’t read sacred scriptures?

      I don’t know what i can say. I don’t listen so much to private apparitions…it’s all written. No problem.

  7. Rob

     /  January 24, 2019

    My friend, you have a great website, but you’re understanding of the Fatima message is way off. I would like to do a point by point rebuttal, but don’t have the time at the moment. But you’re way way off. It seems you’ve mixed Novus Ordo claims with Traditional Catholic claims. I don’t believe you did this purposely. Hopefully I have time in the next couple days, or can pass it off to someone who can, to set the record straight.

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    • Rob

       /  January 31, 2019

      I respect your blog, I really do. But that explanation from the Orthodox Church is misguided at best, and disinformation at worst. It’s unfortunate, but the Orthodox Church doesn’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to the Pope. It is clearly seen in Scripture and the Church Father’s.

      Also, Our Lady of Fatima clearly prophesied the coming events in the world. This can best be seen by the Israeli state being filled with Russians, a subject you’re more than acquainted with. There’s too many things with Fatima that proves it is for real. I highly recommend taking a look at the Fatima Center, and discover what really occured there. May the Holy Ghost guide you to the truth. I’ll continue to read this website, but will refrain from anymore commentary on the Roman Catholic Church.

  8. lindesymonds

     /  January 25, 2019

    Thank you for the link Fitz. I will read it and get back to you here. I would like to commend all the traditional Catholics and Orthodox writing here for this discussion. We may not agree upon the interpretation of the Fatima event but we can discuss it like people who belong to Christ. Lady D – we are living the ‘Third Secret’. There is a reason why the date 1960 was fixed on it for its disclosure by the Vatican – “because it will be clearer then”. By now it should be crystal to everyone who has been paying attention.

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    • D.

       /  January 25, 2019

      I think is not a problema Fatima in sè because if you say that papacy would turn in eresy and the people became apostate , if you say that consacration is’t done and third secret stolen and secret, with big catastrophies later, then you have the man of sin.

      The problem is about this question of the great king and the saint pope before the antichrist’s dominance.

      This is the matter, and if Kirill and Francis vet toghether , and we know who they are, Fatima will be solved.

      Thanks for attention. Great blog, ciao a tutti

  9. Leon Viceroy

     /  January 25, 2019

    It seems that most of your problems are not with Fatima itself, but with the false narrative and pseudo-message that the post-Vatican II church has constructed around Fatima as a decoy.

    There are several problems with the thesis of the article:

    1) The Fatima event was accompanied by a very public, very tangible miracle witnessed by many thousands, the likes of which would have been impossible to replicate at the time and was even reported by the humanist newspaper.

    2) The Vatican has constantly tried to downplay or distance itself from Fatima to the extent that the bogus story about the secret being about an assassination attempt to try and make the “problem” of the third secret go away.

    3) The bogus interpretation was clearly created to give the impression that Russia had been consecrated when it clearly had not. Vatican officials keep insisting that there was a consecration when there was none, which plays into the hands of the Perestroika deception.

    Of course Neocon Catholics tend to brush all this aside and then mumble about “private revelations”, but the very public nature of the Miracle of the Sun suggests that this is no mere private revelation, but a very public warning.

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    • Aerial phenomena is not a miracle. The Bible warns of “lying signs and wonders”, and of angels of light who preach a different gospel. Fatima did preach a different gospel, consecration to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart. No where in the Holy Scriptures does it speak of a Marian-based gospel, much less devotion to a single body part—even Mary’s.

      The supposed Vatican supression of the secrets is a distraction. It’s irrelevant because the apparition is invalid to begin with.

      Bottom line: no miracle occurred, no Gospel of Jesus Christ preached.

      It’s a false, Satanic apparition.

    • Peter Bergin

       /  May 16, 2019

      Thanx Leon Viceroy..Best comment here, check this out http://www.ourladyisgod.com/i-third-secret-of-fatima.php

  10. lindesymonds

     /  January 26, 2019

    The prophecies made by our Lady of Fatima are not ‘Marian centric’ anymore than any prophecy accepted by the Church East or West as authentic centres on the prophet who made them. If Western devotion to our Lord’s Sacred Heart is to be considered satanic, then why not the devotion to the Five Sacred Wounds of Eastern Orthodoxy – usually commemorated in the five domes? I can not imagine even a Novos Ordo Catholic making a statement that the Orthodox devotion to the five sacred wounds is satanic because it is a devotion to five wounded ‘body parts’. Our Lord is the Son of Man and he assumed both a human nature and a human body. Out of the heart are the issues of life, according to the scripture. Why wouldn’t Church have great devotion to the heart of the Saviour? Why wouldn’t the Church have great devotion to the five sacred wounds?

    The Heart of Mary as the wellspring of the Christic mysteries that today we call the Holy Rosary is very definitely in sacred scripture. – She pondered all the mysteries of Christ in her heart. This is in the Gospel of Luke.

    On May 13 1917, at her first appearance, our Lady spoke to the shepherd children and asked them : “Are you willing to offer yourselves to God and bear all the sufferings and trials sent to you as an act of repair for the sins by which He is offended and in supplication for the conversion of sinners?” They answered: “Yes we are willing.” Our Lady replied, “you are going to have much to suffer, but the grace of God will be your comfort.” God is here the subject of our Lady’s discourse and it does not differ all that significantly from the discourse of St Paul writing to the Colossians: “Now I rejoice in my sufferings for you and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ in my flesh.” (Col. 1:24). The Apostle Paul does not mean to say that our Lord’s sufferings are inadequate for salvation, but he does announce the Christian doctrine of reparative suffering within and for Christ’s temporal members : the Church in the working out of salvation..

    Our Lady taught the children to say when they accepted their crosses to say: “O my Jesus this is for the love of you and ask for the salvation of sinners through the prayers of her own Immaculate Heart.” We are talking here about the imposition of brutal atheism upon mass populations by the Communist Revolution which seized power in 1917 and has since swept over the entire world.

    Here is the perfect , Divine plan for assisting in reparative suffering for Christ in his temporal members and especially for those who have been denied even the Evangel by the Communist Revolution. Not only do traditional Catholics practice this devotion, we commend it to the Orthodox as well – especially in consideration of the elect nation of Russia which the Immaculate Mother of God desired to be consecrated to her own heart.

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    • Regardless, this obsession with Mary’s heart is not a teaching found in the writings of the Church Fathers. Therefore, it is NOT according to tradition, much less according to the Bible. This sacred heart stuff is, however, found in the writings of a heretic.

  11. D.

     /  January 26, 2019

    I will remember that THEOTOKOS is not that our Lady , the blessed virgin Mary, is Mater of God.
    This is erroneus. Mary in latin isn’t mater of God but for the comunication of proprieties she is Deipara and Genitrix of God.
    Is quite different. Mary is mater of the church howerer ( see the situation under the cross with Jonh ) but not of God.
    Jesuits also made diffusion of sacred heart of Jesus our Saviour, that is a nestorian type of devotion very similar with this strangness of Mary’s heart and a duplicated one.

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    • D.

       /  January 26, 2019

      I have a serious doubt about jesuits but not because they control NWO. They collaborated, for me they are marranos crypto jews.

      The problem is clear. The dicotomy about traditionalist and modernist ( ergo protestantic style ) is specular…if you see well, heresies are from both and they speak out on each other without knowing they work for the same thing in a useful dialectic.

      Have a good day, thanks

  12. lindesymonds

     /  January 27, 2019

    @Timothy Fitzpatrick Jan 22 “This sacred heart stuff is, however, found in the writings of a heretic” – Please assure us that you are not thinking of St John Chrysostom who has an entire exposition on the blood and water flowing from the heart of Jesus as the source of the sacramental life of the Church.

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  13. lindesymonds

     /  January 28, 2019

    You are right to be concerned about the Patristics , the foundation of which is meditation on “Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God” (theosis) Matt 5:8

    The idea here is that the body of Christ (bone of His bone and flesh of His flesh) becomes pure in heart through the heart of the Saviour which is the fountain of his love cleansing the Church in baptism and nourishing the Church in Eucharist.

    The Fathers clearly saw the Heart of Jesus / Side of Jesus (the last Adam) as symbolic of the Rib / Side of Adam in terms of the our Lord’s bride: the Church. The typology between the first and last Adam is exact. In terms of the human body, the fact that blood and water issued from our Lord’s side means that our Lord had died – the blood in his heart had pooled: the serum (water) separating from the heme. This is the signature of death physiologically.

    St. Justin Martyr (d.165) “We Christians are the true Israel which springs from Christ , for we are carved out of His heart as from a rock” (Dialogue with the jew Trypho)

    “Listen unto me all of you who follow after righteousness , you that seek the Lord , look unto the rock from whence you were hewn….” Isaiah 51: 1.

    St Irenaeus of Lyons (d. 202) “the living water flows from the heart of Jesus” (Adversus Haeresus)

    St John Chrysostom is fully based in the earlier writings when he expounds that the blood from the Christ’s heart/side is Eucharist and the Water is baptism. This exposition is taught in the Roman Office for Lent. It is in the traditional Roman Missal. You can read it here:
    https://www.crossroadsinitiative.com/media/articles/blood-and-water-from-his-side-st-john-chrysostom/

    The Church in Eclipse backs your website Fitz. The test of the Great Apostasy is very severe and the people who read your material are going to stay with you. Take your time with this. The Fathers of the Church are the study of an entire lifetime. The devotion to our Lord’s Sacred Heart belongs as much to the Orthodox based in the Ante Nicene Fathers and Seven Ecumenical Councils as it does to the Roman Catholics.

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  14. TTM

     /  January 28, 2019

    Well, this is all BS anyway, since Christianity is a mental virus created by Jews to enslave the Gentiles. And this East vs West theater of which Fatima prophesies is one part is just another distraction that they have prepared for us.
    https://chechar.wordpress.com/2018/12/07/a-jew-who-told-the-truth/

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    • D.

       /  January 29, 2019

      Is strange that christianity is in the same time the trojan horse and the first enemy of jews.
      You would say that this is a long time program but life tells us that when christianity lost its self jews became stronger, and this degeneration was always foughted not blessed in every level of church. Remember that islamic invasion was helped by jews, the first persecution was made by jews and christian church since the bigginnig told about jews they aren’t so, they follow satan.
      You also forget that in Jesus time you don’t have one type of hebrew. How can they create a strategy if they are divided? You have sapietial scribes , sadducean, fariseans, mystical hessenes plus levites ambiguity and two diffeeent wiew of politic reaction to Rome: boetians way and zealots way. Christianity taked all of this plus has different values from Christ himself.
      Your recostruction is the problem similar about pagans perennialism: they say christianity is lost and incomplete tradition and talk about degeneration of the world by christianity. Ahhaha. It is clear because CORRUPTIO OPTIMI PESSIMA . When you have troubles you kick the big one then others turn into fear…and you know that jews every morning and evening do prayer against minim because they see us like enemy. Is negation of every sacred living to create a “virus” and told to it anathema every day. It not coincide with a possibile evolution of a strategy if it is damned, an action taking apart of divine influencial in religious method.
      Also christianity always bewere jews making laws against them. Is very smart to create a “virus” that do not give you freedom but submission…

      This is an old bullshit to change reality and fight right reaction

    • A BS narrative that makes no sense. The idea that Jews created Christianity to subjugate the world is absurd and has no basis in historical fact. Anyone with a basic knowledge of history knows that anti-Jewish Rome and Byzantium spread Christianity—to the Jews disfavour.

    • TTM

       /  January 30, 2019

      D., I don’t see how you address the point that I raised, which is that Christianity is the tool of the Jews to create slaves out of all non-Jews. The Old Testament is very clear on the issue of the Jews being the master race. Isn’t this proof enough for you?

    • Daouda

       /  January 31, 2019

      ( I’m sorry Fitz maybe i write too much )

      We have seen that your description isn’t true and it is based of a misundestation of goym sense.
      I always write that jews esclusivism is clear but not anti human. The kick on Christianity because they hate minim: we are eretics for them, we are to distroy.
      So the concept of slavery of gentiles is’t factual. As you see many gentiles go with them in this global power, but the usual point is antiChristic way, also in deformation of Church itself to achive their program.

      You have to study not only christianity-jewish relations in sè, but judaism in sè and his evolution and also christianity and his evolution and then match things.
      You lack on it and your statament is useful to zionistic massonic interpretation.
      West roman empire collapsed not for christianity, it is a non sense. You don’t read!

      Also you say jewish are a race. Don’t follow this falsity. You had big proselitism in jewish history before Christ anf you can find many inter etnic marrieges also in holy Bible.
      Judaism is a Faith. You have chinese, sefardit iberian marocchoan, ashkenaz germanic poland, italikim, yemenites and crimean kazarian, falashà etiopic.
      Where is jewish race?
      Nazism not only was working for zionism and London/New York point, but created this stupidity of jewish race. Is a trap

  15. TTM

     /  January 29, 2019

    Anyone with a basic knowledge of history knows that the Western Roman Empire ceased to exist a mere 4 centuries after the appearance of Christianity. How is it to the disfavour of the Jews, the bitter enemies of Rome? Christianity brainwashes people to be slaves. Isn’t this to the benefit of Jews?

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    • D.

       /  January 30, 2019

      Do you know that majority of christians were in eastern side?
      Why are you afraid to answer my point up written?

      All of us can testify :
      -military anarchism for power
      -heavy taxation
      -immoral way of life
      -barbaric invasion caused by turanic pression and climate changes always termined in wester side
      -militaries traitors solidarizing with foreigners
      -depopulation by illness
      -inflation
      -minus slave trade
      -transformation of domus into latifondistic form and ruralization
      -civil nationalism reborn
      -rampant burocracy

      Some things was general to the two parts or were componets with similar sources but howewer in less impact in est world. Many others you have only in west side.
      Your story is useful to jews policy. What a shame!
      You are an useful idiot like too conspiracy theorist. But analize deception/disinformation is matter of logic and facts before study.
      And you don’t want to see the real issues about jews and christians.

    • False. Byzantium took over after the Western Roman Empire collapse. Byzantium had far more riches than Rome and its rule lasted 1,000 years. The Jews were greatly restricted under Byzantium rule. Again, you demonstrate your historical ignorance.

  16. dachsielady

     /  January 30, 2019

    This is an excerpt from the full CMRI magazine article. The full article is only available on the magazine website for subscription charge. but the full article is provided free of charge by special permission but only within this free article here…

    https://novusordowatch.org/2018/05/why-eastern-orthodoxy-is-not-the-true-religion/

    The title and author of the CMRI magazine article are

    THE EASTERN ORTHODOX SCHISM: Why the Schismatic Orthodox Churches Are Not Truly Orthodox

    by Rev. Fr. Benedict Hughes, CMRI

    “In Conclusion…

    Let us return to our original question: Could the Orthodox Church be the true church after all? Considering the evident heresies emanating from Rome over the past 50 years, might the claim of the Catholic Church to be the true church of Christ be mistaken? Such is the reasoning toward which some disillusioned Catholic have been gravitating. I know personally of at least one case where a Roman Catholic converted to the Greek Orthodox Church, and of others who are being tossed with doubts along these lines.

    For readers of this magazine, however, this question does not present a dilemma. We know that the papacy was founded by Christ and that the true popes have always preserved the faith pure and undefiled. The Roman See has never subscribed to any heresy, but rather has been the pillar and ground of truth for the faithful. We can read a consistent line of truly orthodox teaching in the writings of all the popes from Saint Peter up to and including Pope Pius XII. The problem, then, is that these modern “popes” are not truly popes at all. They cannot be, else Christ’s promise has failed. The Eastern Orthodox churches, as we have seen, are not only schismatic but also heretical. They do not represent the glorious history of the great Eastern fathers and doctors of the Church, but are rather different churches.

    Truly, we are in unprecedented times… times which try men’s faith. Yet if we remain firmly attached to the teachings of the popes before Vatican II, we are compelled to reject the modern impostors who have lived in the Vatican wearing white cassocks. As a great Eastern doctor of the Church (Saint Athanasius) would have phrased it: “They may have the buildings; they may use the names (“catholic” or “pope”); but they are not true successors of Saint Peter.” Let us hold firmly to that faith and reject the claims—whether of the Eastern Orthodox or anyone else—who would seek to draw us away from the church that Jesus Christ established to lead us to heaven.

    This article appeared in the Winter 2018 issue of The Reign of Mary (vol. 49, no. 167), pp. 4-6, and is reprinted here with the permission of Fr. Benedict Hughes, CMRI. To subscribe to The Reign of Mary quarterly, please click here.”

    http://cmri.org/rm167.shtml

    Issue No. 167 features the following article:

    ° The Eastern Orthodox Schism
    Why the Eastern Orthodox Churches Are Not Truly Orthodox
    by Rev. Fr. Benedict Hughes, CMRI
    Many Catholics are bewildered by the crisis in the Church today. Looking to the Vatican, they cannot dispute the evident heresy that is being promulgated in the nsme of Catholicism. Disillusioned, some have even opted for the claims of the Orthodox in their search for answers….

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  17. lindesymonds

     /  January 30, 2019

    Not only were Jews greatly restricted under the Byzantium rule but the Khaganate of the Khazars between the Black and Caspian Seas payed tribute. They might have controlled the Silk Road and the Oxus , but Byzantium controlled the Straits of the Bosphorus.

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  18. TTM

     /  January 30, 2019

    Tim, you are not addressing my point regarding Christianity being a mind virus aimed at making slaves out of the Gentiles. Is this because you can’t? Regarding my historical ‘ignorance’, I did mention that it was the Western Roman Empire and not the Eastern one that ceased to exist four centuries after the appearance of Christianity. So your accusation of historical ignorance is misplaced.

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  19. Here are red letter words from the master:

    These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, “Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” – Matthew 10:5

    So Jesus clearly says DON’T GO TO THE GENTILES!!! Can the “Lost Sheep of Israel” refer to anyone other than Temple Jews, as there is no evidence that Jesus is referring to anyone else in first century Judean history. But then, who else lived in first century Judea but Jews and gentiles?

    And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. But he answered and said, “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” – Matthew 15:22

    Obviously the disciples did not listen the first time, so Jesus made an example of the “gentile” woman by refusing to speak with her before telling his not-so-bright disciples once again in plain Aramaic – “Get it through your thick skulls – I AM NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL.” No matter how one might look at it, clearly “the lost sheep of Israel” are not “gentiles,” but the tribal nation or “house,” of Jews lost to their corrupt religion. And clearly, Jews do not refer to themselves as “gentiles” anywhere in their history.

    Of course the master winds up helping the woman, sending her away with the assurance her daughter is cured, but no where is there any indication he changed his mind about sending his message to the gentiles. There is no way this simple act of kindness can be construed as an open invitation for gentiles to get on board the wagon Jesus has reserved for the lost sheep of Israel.

    Yet, what does Saul/Paul do, a man that never met Jesus, but only claims to have talked to him in a vision? A Jewish vision no less! How many times have we heard of Jews having visions from God? So what does good old Saul/Paul do? He goes straight to the gentiles! Wouldn’t you call that gross disobedience to the master’s command? By the way, are you a “gentile?”

    The question is, if the master clearly indicates that his message is reserved for the Lost Sheep of Israel and NOT the gentiles, how can latter day, gentile Christians justify their beliefs of his alleged salvation for the world? Are we to believe the words of a crazed Jew, a former Temple persecutor/torturer and murderer of the master’s servants who claims he did a 180 in his religious beliefs before going straight to the gentiles that the master warned his disciples to stay away from? Really?

    Frankly it comes down to listening to the master or listening to a lying Jew that directly disobeyed the master’s command, there really is no choice.

    By the way the “Lost Sheep of Israel,” the Jews, were tasked by Temple priests to follow 613 Levirite laws pertaining to sin. This is THE LAW, these are THE SINS Jesus addressed in his ministry and these are THE SINS he forgave as there were no others outside THE LAW. The question is how many of these laws do you follow and how many sins have you committed according to these ancient laws?

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    • You misunderstand. The context of that passage is that the House of Israel first, then the gentiles. Then, the gentiles were grafted into the House of Israel. The Gentile Church is now Israel.

  20. KM

     /  March 4, 2019

    Timothy,

    I appreciate your blog 🙂
    I believe the Fatima apparition is completely heretical and not of God.

    There is another large aspect to the complexity of deception at play. Fatima is the name of Mohammed’s daughter. The Muslim faith adores and reveres the Virgin Mary, and Fatima was praised by her father and was said to be most blessed, next to Mary. Some Muslim worshippers visit Catholic shrines to Mary and make pilgrimage to Fatima. (New agers and goddess worshippers as well). Satan surely knew the power “Our Lady of Fatima” could have over Islam.

    I saw your recent tweet asking the very reasonable question, if Muslims will be first to join the Noahide religion. I think this all works together on many levels… from the Left, liberal Catholics, Unitarians, etc. as well as the Christian Zionists.

    I saw a video posted by Rabbi Tovia Singer — Noahide Laws apologist to the Gentiles. Judging from the comments (I couldn’t bear to watch it), Muslims are welcome with open arms, as they are ‘believers in the God of Abraham’. I imagine once the peace deal is laid out, many Muslims will just need to accept/respect the ‘Jewish State’ and vow to be good neigbors (and the fine print will be there for law breakers- mainly those who don’t agree).

    The Pope has been making in-roads with Judaism, Islam and… everyone. He can help herd them toward some manner of “Coexist” that bottom line, is Noahide friendly. Also, there is the Bahai faith that is syncretic, with it’s huge temple in Tel Aviv.

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    • In an obvious act of ecumenical apostasy, the Moscow Patriarchate in 1969 decreed sharing the Holy Sacraments with Roman Catholics. ROCOR denounced this obvious heresy, as it had already anathematized the Moscow Patriarchate after Sergius the impostor took over from the venerable St. Tikhon.

  21. Lee

     /  May 14, 2019

    I have lately been looking at orthodoxy as a church I might be interested in going to. I had heard you say an Adam Green show that you are an Orthodox and used to be a Catholic. What division/denomination of orthodoxy are you in? I’m assuming not the Russian division? So Greek or Oriental? By the way there are a couple of Russian orthodox priests in Washington state. During my research of orthodoxy I heard the head bishop over there in Washington state describe the Trinity 100% wrong. If you ever hear a Hebrew roots movement person describe the Trinity or some crazy man named Mark Biltz. That’s how this Russian orthodox priest describe the Trinity. Like pretty much father God I heard the head bishop over there in Washington state describe the Trinity 100% wrong. If you ever hear a Hebrew roots movement person describe the Trinity or some crazy man name Mark Biltz. That’s how this Russian orthodox priest describe the Trinity.

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    • The Eastern Orthodox understanding of the Holy Trinity is the same as that of the Roman Catholic Church; although, Eastern Orthodox believe that the Spirit proceeds from the Father, not from the Father and the Son (Filioque) as the Catholic Church believes. Regardless of this difference, they agree that Jesus is divine and fully God. It was this difference, the Filioque, which led to the Great Schism between East and West.

      In Eastern Orthodoxy’s defense, their position preceeded the Filioque and could be argued to be truly in the tradition of the Holy Apostles.

    • Lee

       /  June 19, 2019

      TY so much !!! I have known for years that there was a difference but I could not figure out what it was. Thank you don’t you just hate trying to figure something out for ever and ever and ever. You just cannot find the information. That makes me nuts.

    • dachsielady

       /  June 19, 2019

      “apostles at the Last Supper. Saint John narrates the words of Jesus:
      “Cum autem venerit Paraclitus, quem ego mittam vobis a Patre, Spiritum veritatis, qui a Patre procedit, ille testimonium perhibebit de me—When however the Paraclete shall come, whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, He will bear witness concerning Me” (John 15:26). “Whom I will send you from the Father…” clearly indicates to an honest person that the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and the Son.
      But Jesus did not leave His followers in doubt as to the meaning of Sacred Scripture, for we have the consistent teaching of His Church on this subject. It can also be demonstrated that many Greek Fathers, such as Saint Gregory Nazianzen, Saint Gregory Thaumaturgus, Saint Gregory of Nyssa, and Saint Cyril of Alexandria, among others, taught this doctrine. Rather, the accusation that the addition of Filioque to the Creed was heretical, was an argument used by Photius and Caerularius to bolster their case against the pope and Rome.
      More than a Schism
      The sin of schism is the refusal to submit to the lawful authority of the Church. Usually, however, every schism includes at least some heretical ideas. And indeed this is the case with the Eastern Schism. Not only do the Orthodox reject the doctrine of the procession of the Holy Ghost from the Father and the Son, they also reject papal authority and papal infallibility. To them, the pope is the bishop of Rome and can only be entitled to a distinction of honor—a sort of first among equals—at best. But the successor of Saint Peter has authority over the entire church and all its members. For Jesus said to Peter “feed My lambs” (the faithful); “feed My sheep” (the bishops). He also said to Peter: “I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and thou, being once converted, confirm thy brethren” (Luke, 22:32). Saint Peter is always given first place in any list of the apostles in Scripture and was always acknowledged by the other apostles to be their head. For he is the rock, upon which Christ built His church.
      Moreover, since they reject papal infallibility, the Orthodox also reject the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary—because this truth was solemnly defined by Pope Pius IX. But what is particularly curious among their heresies is that they allow divorce and remarriage. One would think, after the clear words of Our Lord (“What God has joined together, let not man put asunder”) that the permanence and indissolubility of marriage would be a “no-brainer” for a true Christian. And we are not speaking here of marriages that were clearly null and void, due to an impediment, but rather of marriages that are acknowledged to have been valid. In this heresy of theirs, the Orthodox can perhaps find some common ground with Francis, after his infamous Amoris Laetitia!”

      https://novusordowatch.org/2018/05/why-eastern-orthodoxy-is-not-the-true-religion/

      The original posting of mine of this article by Father Benedict Huges CMRI has now disappeared from FitzInfo.

  22. Andy Sloan

     /  May 16, 2019

    St Thomas Aquinas – Summa Theologica.

    Article 2. Whether the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Son?

    “The Son proceeds by the way of the intellect as Word, and the Holy Ghost by way of the will as Love. Now love must proceed from a word. For we do not love anything unless we apprehend it by a mental conception. Hence also in this way it is manifest that the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Son.”

    http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1036.htm#article2

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  23. Andy Sloan

     /  May 17, 2019

    The reason why God gave us an infallible magisterium in the Catholic Church (1 Tim 3:15 – ‘which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth’ is that we may have a certainty of truth. The apparition of Fatima has been approved by the Catholic Church, so that is sufficient.

    For those outside her portals, I would urge you to the wisdom of St’s Augustine and Jerome;

    http://www.catholictradition.org/Tradition/salvation2-3c.htm

    Mary, our mother – what a gift to us sinners from Christ – is our refuge in these apocalyptic times;

    Apocalypse 12:17

    “And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”

    Genesis 3:15

    “I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.”

    Matthew 16:19 – Papal infallibility.

    “And I will give to thee (Peter) the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”

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  24. tony mullins

     /  May 24, 2019

    Great article.

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  25. Amy McSween

     /  June 17, 2019

    Do the orthodox allow remarriage after divorce?

    Is that scriptural?

    Do the orthodox allow contraception and abortion?

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  26. I am a traditional Catholic who has serious questions about the Fatima apparitions. The Church (a local bishop) recognised in 1930 that there were apparitions in 1917. However the church never mentioned anythjing about the 3 secrets. Over time Lucia added more and more recollections to the story. The first of which was that an Angel came to give her Holy Communion in the form of bread in1915 and in the form of wine to the younger two Jacinta and Francesco. They received communion in a different form, because they hadn’t had their first communion yet. However this is a theological contradiction, as Catholics all know that Our Lord is present Body and Soul in both Bread and the Wine. So why the difference forms for the children? Fatima here contradicts Catholic teaching.

    Also Lucia claims that the Pope would really suffer, which hasn’t happened and that that dogma of the faith would be preserved in Portugal which also hasn’t happened.

    The Fatima story grows more complex over time every with every Lucia interview. We also have the controversy of the false Lucia, which many traditional catholic groups like the SSPX don’t even mention, and the theologically unsound communion in 1915. I think it’s wiser just to ignore Fatima.

    In contrast, Bernadette of Lourdes never changed her story, there are recognised miracles at Lourdes and her life after the apparitions was one of hardship, sacrifice and very saintly behavior.

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